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		<title>Comment on Statement following May 2012 local election results by Yellow Bill</title>
		<link>http://socialliberal.net/2012/05/04/statement-following-may-2012-local-election-results/comment-page-1/#comment-24496</link>
		<dc:creator>Yellow Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 12:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops - in the post above take out government in the first line of the third paragraph and replace it with London</description>
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		<title>Comment on Statement following May 2012 local election results by Yellow Bill</title>
		<link>http://socialliberal.net/2012/05/04/statement-following-may-2012-local-election-results/comment-page-1/#comment-24495</link>
		<dc:creator>Yellow Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 12:06:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Neil Sanderson
The point is that this coalition government IS phasing in the lowering of the 50% tax rate incrementally - it is lowering it to 40% in increments of 5%.

Lib Dems and Tories in the coalition do not care for the poor or needy, 

They intend clearing out central government of any who don&#039;t vote blue in a similar way as the Westminster council did in the 1980s - this time by pricing the poor out via the cap on housing benefit.

They intend (indeed they have in many instances) to remove the safety net of benefits from the majority of those who use them to survive.

As you say this iliberal coalition government will remove tax credits from families by increasing the amount of hours they have to work.

As for the poor friendly policies the Iliberals in the government have introduced - look at them carefully, see how they compare to what we all championed at the last election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Neil Sanderson<br />
The point is that this coalition government IS phasing in the lowering of the 50% tax rate incrementally &#8211; it is lowering it to 40% in increments of 5%.</p>
<p>Lib Dems and Tories in the coalition do not care for the poor or needy, </p>
<p>They intend clearing out central government of any who don&#8217;t vote blue in a similar way as the Westminster council did in the 1980s &#8211; this time by pricing the poor out via the cap on housing benefit.</p>
<p>They intend (indeed they have in many instances) to remove the safety net of benefits from the majority of those who use them to survive.</p>
<p>As you say this iliberal coalition government will remove tax credits from families by increasing the amount of hours they have to work.</p>
<p>As for the poor friendly policies the Iliberals in the government have introduced &#8211; look at them carefully, see how they compare to what we all championed at the last election.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Statement following May 2012 local election results by Neil Sandison</title>
		<link>http://socialliberal.net/2012/05/04/statement-following-may-2012-local-election-results/comment-page-1/#comment-24259</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Sandison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 11:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Osbourne Effect 
As a suvivor of the council elections who has an inner urban ward i know first hand how many voters felt about the last budget .Reducing the top tax rate played right into Labours hands An astute politian would have phased in any adjustment incrementally as the tax take increased in a growing economy ,But this was also coupled with Osbourne and Alexanders insistance that low income families had to find additional hours of work in a stagnant economy in order to be entitled to working tax credit .This just added insult to injury There is also the impact of cuts in housing benefit if you have a spare room in your house ,taking in a lodger is not an option because you get penalised again because the lodger is counted as a non-dependant 
and punitive deductions are made from any HB or Council Tax rebate you may receive .We should see this as a modern day Window Tax on the poor This for many low wage working families is wiping all the work we have done to reduce the number of people taken out of tax with incomes below 10,000 .We need to wage verbal war on the tories for hurting low income households if we ever want to regain our councillors and councils and the respect of ordinary working people .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Osbourne Effect<br />
As a suvivor of the council elections who has an inner urban ward i know first hand how many voters felt about the last budget .Reducing the top tax rate played right into Labours hands An astute politian would have phased in any adjustment incrementally as the tax take increased in a growing economy ,But this was also coupled with Osbourne and Alexanders insistance that low income families had to find additional hours of work in a stagnant economy in order to be entitled to working tax credit .This just added insult to injury There is also the impact of cuts in housing benefit if you have a spare room in your house ,taking in a lodger is not an option because you get penalised again because the lodger is counted as a non-dependant<br />
and punitive deductions are made from any HB or Council Tax rebate you may receive .We should see this as a modern day Window Tax on the poor This for many low wage working families is wiping all the work we have done to reduce the number of people taken out of tax with incomes below 10,000 .We need to wage verbal war on the tories for hurting low income households if we ever want to regain our councillors and councils and the respect of ordinary working people .</p>
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		<title>Comment on 2012 Coalition Budget: SLF Response by owen hockey</title>
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		<dc:creator>owen hockey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2012 10:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clegg and his party got in bed with a corrupt con.party,there party is paying the price for there greed for power,Osborne and his ilk only think of the rich not the country like he says,LibDem mps have gone along with the biggest set of self centered tory mps we have had the misfortune to rule us like Maggie before there is only there way ever one else is wrong(poll tax ring any bells?)you have helped them destroy our NHS for that you will never be forgiven,shame on any LibDem for support of the robber barons in disgust O Hockey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clegg and his party got in bed with a corrupt con.party,there party is paying the price for there greed for power,Osborne and his ilk only think of the rich not the country like he says,LibDem mps have gone along with the biggest set of self centered tory mps we have had the misfortune to rule us like Maggie before there is only there way ever one else is wrong(poll tax ring any bells?)you have helped them destroy our NHS for that you will never be forgiven,shame on any LibDem for support of the robber barons in disgust O Hockey</p>
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		<title>Comment on Plan C &#8211; A distinctively Lib Dem economic strategy by prateekbuch</title>
		<link>http://socialliberal.net/2012/03/08/plan-c-a-distinctively-lib-dem-economic-strategy/comment-page-1/#comment-24165</link>
		<dc:creator>prateekbuch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 07:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fair point Daniel, will consider timing of free release! Mike, Kelly&#039;s right - my better half downloaded it via Kindle app on iPad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fair point Daniel, will consider timing of free release! Mike, Kelly&#8217;s right &#8211; my better half downloaded it via Kindle app on iPad</p>
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		<title>Comment on Plan C &#8211; A distinctively Lib Dem economic strategy by Daniel Henry</title>
		<link>http://socialliberal.net/2012/03/08/plan-c-a-distinctively-lib-dem-economic-strategy/comment-page-1/#comment-24004</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 21:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given that most people willing to fork out have probably already bought it, perhaps it would a good time to release it free of charge?

I was certainly more than happy to shell out £3 for my copy at conference, but I&#039;ve found a bit more difficult to get other people to read when it would cost them money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given that most people willing to fork out have probably already bought it, perhaps it would a good time to release it free of charge?</p>
<p>I was certainly more than happy to shell out £3 for my copy at conference, but I&#8217;ve found a bit more difficult to get other people to read when it would cost them money.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Plan C &#8211; A distinctively Lib Dem economic strategy by KellyMarieBlundell</title>
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		<dc:creator>KellyMarieBlundell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 18:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you can get it via the Kindle App for Macs which will work on an ipad? 
Kelly-Marie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you can get it via the Kindle App for Macs which will work on an ipad?<br />
Kelly-Marie</p>
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		<title>Comment on Plan C &#8211; A distinctively Lib Dem economic strategy by Mike Ward</title>
		<link>http://socialliberal.net/2012/03/08/plan-c-a-distinctively-lib-dem-economic-strategy/comment-page-1/#comment-23906</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Ward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 16:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it available for iPad?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it available for iPad?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lord Smith of Clifton writes: trends and tendencies in contemporary UK politics and the future of the Lib Dems by Michael Parsons</title>
		<link>http://socialliberal.net/2012/01/10/1381/comment-page-1/#comment-23882</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Parsons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2012 11:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lord Smith&#039;s careful and well-balanced review will be very useful in considering our position after the May elections - that being the only real test of opinion as we are so often told in the press.

The  Liberal  coalition with the Tories  (under Simon)  in the National Coalition of the Depression of 1930&#039;s  saw a rejection of Lloyd George&#039;s New Deal and a policy of a banker backed Raw Deal instead with  the usual bogus  justifications of an austerity package. The Liberal Party then lost its Welfare State initiative and electoral success to the Labour movement as we all know.  That was a disaster, as the centralised, State-run version of Social Contract triumphed, exposing the Welfare State to all the destructive criticism  since levelled at it.

The current loss of social benefits  is used to sustain organisations like the IMF and various broken banks, and huge budget deficits have been created to switch from democratic public control to private power and the financialisation of society.

The ITEM club 2012 Spring analysis states
(quote)
Ideally each sector balance would be close to zero. What stands out is the government financial deficit or net borrowing, which pumped £147 billion into the economy in 2010 and a further £122 billion last year. But these massive figures were largely the consequence of cash being drained out of the economy and indeed the Exchequer by the private sector. The biggest drain was the company sector, which sucked a hefty £72 billion out of the system in 2010, and a further £80 billion last year. And most of this cash is being hoarded, not spent or invested. Non-financial companies increased their holdings of currency and bank deposits by £48 billion in 2010 and a further £82 billion last year, taking the total to £754 billion, a staggering 50% of GDP.

It is not difficult to see how companies find themselves in this cash-rich position. Globalisation has dramatically increased the power of capital over labour, with workers at the bottom of the pile and even the ‘squeezed middle’ coming under huge pressure. This has been most apparent in the US where companies continued to post record profits right through the downturn. In the UK, companies have been swimming in cash while consumers have been drowning in debt
(unquote)

But an updated   New Deal policy would  mobilise these idle balances for productive use; and use budget deficits to fight ignorance, poverty, disease and idleness: there should be no reliance on false hopes  of automatic macro-economic return to full employment equilibrium in a market economy, if only because workers cannot release spending power by mortgaging their labour in advance (although debt-bondage may be reappearing  with student and pay-day loans).

So the Coalition&#039;s   reliance on private action is likely to  be very ill-founded.  In that case and we are being used as human shields for the battle-tanks of the Tory party of Big Capital.  I suggest we need to be very circumspect in the Coalition and can only welcome Lord Smith&#039;s thought-provoking article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lord Smith&#8217;s careful and well-balanced review will be very useful in considering our position after the May elections &#8211; that being the only real test of opinion as we are so often told in the press.</p>
<p>The  Liberal  coalition with the Tories  (under Simon)  in the National Coalition of the Depression of 1930&#8242;s  saw a rejection of Lloyd George&#8217;s New Deal and a policy of a banker backed Raw Deal instead with  the usual bogus  justifications of an austerity package. The Liberal Party then lost its Welfare State initiative and electoral success to the Labour movement as we all know.  That was a disaster, as the centralised, State-run version of Social Contract triumphed, exposing the Welfare State to all the destructive criticism  since levelled at it.</p>
<p>The current loss of social benefits  is used to sustain organisations like the IMF and various broken banks, and huge budget deficits have been created to switch from democratic public control to private power and the financialisation of society.</p>
<p>The ITEM club 2012 Spring analysis states<br />
(quote)<br />
Ideally each sector balance would be close to zero. What stands out is the government financial deficit or net borrowing, which pumped £147 billion into the economy in 2010 and a further £122 billion last year. But these massive figures were largely the consequence of cash being drained out of the economy and indeed the Exchequer by the private sector. The biggest drain was the company sector, which sucked a hefty £72 billion out of the system in 2010, and a further £80 billion last year. And most of this cash is being hoarded, not spent or invested. Non-financial companies increased their holdings of currency and bank deposits by £48 billion in 2010 and a further £82 billion last year, taking the total to £754 billion, a staggering 50% of GDP.</p>
<p>It is not difficult to see how companies find themselves in this cash-rich position. Globalisation has dramatically increased the power of capital over labour, with workers at the bottom of the pile and even the ‘squeezed middle’ coming under huge pressure. This has been most apparent in the US where companies continued to post record profits right through the downturn. In the UK, companies have been swimming in cash while consumers have been drowning in debt<br />
(unquote)</p>
<p>But an updated   New Deal policy would  mobilise these idle balances for productive use; and use budget deficits to fight ignorance, poverty, disease and idleness: there should be no reliance on false hopes  of automatic macro-economic return to full employment equilibrium in a market economy, if only because workers cannot release spending power by mortgaging their labour in advance (although debt-bondage may be reappearing  with student and pay-day loans).</p>
<p>So the Coalition&#8217;s   reliance on private action is likely to  be very ill-founded.  In that case and we are being used as human shields for the battle-tanks of the Tory party of Big Capital.  I suggest we need to be very circumspect in the Coalition and can only welcome Lord Smith&#8217;s thought-provoking article.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Plan C &#8211; A distinctively Lib Dem economic strategy by prateekbuch</title>
		<link>http://socialliberal.net/2012/03/08/plan-c-a-distinctively-lib-dem-economic-strategy/comment-page-1/#comment-23839</link>
		<dc:creator>prateekbuch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 07:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have yet to find a reliable way of monetising PDFs I&#039;m afraid...</description>
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